thorduna:

hela:

i might have been peeping a look at the thorloki ragnarok scenes a legendary friend sneakily filmed and i noticed something i hadn’t picked up on before. 

in the scene where thor and loki return to earth to look for odin, thor tells loki “i can’t believe you’re alive, i saw you die, i mourned you, i cried for you!” this is reminiscent of in the avengers where thor says basically same thing (”i thought you dead.. we all [mourned you]”), but the delivery of both these lines are very different. in the avengers thor is nearly overcome with rage and grief. through the whole scene he looks like he wants to physically shake loki for all the pain he caused him and how delusional loki is acting. when loki continues to be flippant, he grabs him by the neck to try and force him to understand how loki’s assumed death hurt him.

this time, thor is just irritated and pissed. he’s basically saying “i can’t believe you pulled this shit again and hurt me AGAIN!” it’s an offhand comment, brought up bc there’s a lull in action when they cant find odin, with nothing of the urgency that TA’s scene had. the way he says it and how he trails off makes it seem like he’s embarrassed, both at the confession and that he fell for loki’s shit yet again. and there’s no physicality to it, he’s not even touching loki at all, just standing next to him w/ his arms crossed. its more a reprimand rather than a passion filled confrontation. its this point, i think, that thor starts to realise that loki, in his current state, is just not compatible with him any more and is just not worth the pain.

But loki’s reactions in both these scenes are the most differing. in the avengers he seems to greedily take in all thor’s pain, wanting to know exactly how much he suffered, then he shoves him away as soon as thor brings up their father. he rejects anything thor says, staying defensive, accusatory and mocking during the entire scene.

Then in ragnarok all he has to say to thor is "…i’m honoured?“ it’s a joke, and a deflection. its a dickish thing to say but its not exactly cruel, nothing compared to the way he revelled in thor’s anguish in TA. there’s no heat in it, no bitterness, no resentment, it’s just awkward. its seems like just something to say to fill the silence than anything else, as he doesn’t really know how to respond for once. i wouldn’t say he’s exactly ashamed of his actions but i think he feels at least a little regretful that he caused thor pain. to me, this shows just how much loki has either 1. matured or 2. just calmed the fuck down. he doesn’t have that need to lash out or hurt thor anymore, as there’s no real anger there anymore. it shows the beginning of the process loki goes through in this film of finally realising that he doesn’t have to be thor’s rival or his foil any more, and as thor says, he can be better and more than that.

I think scenes like this are also the reason why people point out we get to see so much of that brotherly relationship in this movie. It’s more than banter, it’s gravitating towards each other, with a lot of that annoyance very clearly expressed.