Why does everyone assume Lavi being unable to succeed Bookman means he’s dead? There’s plenty of reasons why he couldn’t. I mean, he does need at least one eye and a hand to record, right?
funny coz my thought was bookman disowned him therefore he doesnt need to cover his rigth eye anymore so next time we see him he might have 2 eyes but now there is a chance he doesn’t even have his left eye…
Can fandom please finally agree to stop depicting Nea’s original body and his brother as white guys?
Because please, seriously- we have a color image of his brother in human form- he’s not white. We have that volume cover that was supposed to be Nea (albeit in Allen’s body) – they showed it was him by making him not white. We also have the time Nea reacted to seeing Allen’s face in the mirror which summed up as pretty much “holy shit this guy is really white” – which would be a weird thing to say unless your old body wasn’t white. How much more evidence do you flipping need to get it that the Campbell kids aren’t white?
“But if they aren’t white, then why aren’t they always shaded in!” – gee I don’t know, to save on shading? Timcanpy isn’t always shaded, yet somehow none of us forget the glorified Snitch is gold.
Though seriously, before you start pulling up your evidence and theories about why they could be white, you should probably ask why it’s a problem for you for them not to be white.
does anyone have evidence on this or like chapter numbers like im not doubting OP or anything i just havent read dgrayman in literally a few years so i forgot all about this stuff
And as a bonus, it should be noted that both Wisely and Allen observed that Nea looks a lot like Tyki Mikk, who is regularly depicted as not white in the manga art, and even the anime retconned their initial choice of him having white by the end of their run.
i think you have mistaken their Noah’s skin color with their real skin color, when they are in Noah mode, their skin tend to be darker. Also in the second picture, it’s not Nea, it’s Allen in Noah mode (Nea’s real hair is black) & Allen is white, the tone of his skin here is only to show that he is in Noah mode. About the whole ‘
Nea seeing his reflection in Allen’s body
’ stuffs, as i already said the reason COULD be because Allen has white hair, like really white! normal people, especially teenagers don’t have white hair like that, so it surprised him :
“
Tyki Mikk, who is regularly depicted as not white in the manga art
” because usually he is in Noah mode, when he is in human mode his skin is white (i think he is
Portuguese or something, you can check it in the dgm wiki) so yeah… all of this prove nothing :
Actually Tyki IS shown having dark skin in his human form (Night 157/158), but this is confusing since he didn’t at his very first appearance. But Hoshino might have changed her mind (and she doesn’t need to ‘save on shading’ anymore -?- since she draws digitally).
But yeah, OP unfortunately those are their Noah forms (you can see the stigmata) and as 910707 has said, Nea’s reaction MIGHT be because of Allen’s hair (he has white hair now BUT not in the past, Nea probably wasn’t expecting it), but it might also be because Allen is really pale (Nea says “he looks sick”). This part is also confusing.
Does OP have more evidence? :O I’m really curious rn.
You mean other than the fact Noah form is supposed to be gray skin (as shown in the anime, several manga covers, and the fact the Order didn’t racially profile Jerry, Sokaro and Noise for being possible Noahs)? Or that Tyki’s Portuguese by “Nationality”, which is different from “Ethnicity” (Ethnicity is where we talk about racial appearance, Nationality is just your place of birth/citizenship. And guess what? Every DGM fact sheet has only used “nationality”.) and also not everyone in Portugal is white? Or that the fact it’d be completely disgusting to assume that someone taking an “evil form” should look like someone turning not white, while their “human form” is white? And that somehow if you think that notion is preferable to accepting that two major characters to the plot might not be white, then that is really messed up?
I mean, if I really pushed for evidence I guess there’s the bit that they’re two guys who directly descend from a guy that’s been around since Biblical times? Which you know where almost all of the Bible was written and set? Spoiler: it’s the Middle East. So I guess I can use the Bible as evidence too since the story is insisting on using the story of Noah’s Ark (even in a horribly bastardized form)?
I mean other than that stuff, no, I don’t have more evidence. Though speaking in opinions, I’m a little troubled that you guys seem to hold a “White Until Proven with citations as long as a PhD dissertation’s work cited” mindset here. Because seriously, do you guys hear yourselves?
oh you want to talk official art? let’s talk official art then
take this pictureas example. we have allen who is english, lenalee who is chinese, kanda who is asian (i assume, though hoshino had said he is not japanese so actually he can be anything), lavi who is mixed race (but mostly asian) and howard link who is german, and guess what? Their skin color are exactly the same. Same goes to many other pictures with more than 1 character. Then according to you “Ethnicity is where we talk about racial appearance, Nationality is just your place of birth/citizenship”, so based on this picture, they can all be white for all we know. The point i’m trying to make here is: those pictures are not reliable source, even if they are official art, because Hoshino didn’t draw them with the thought of races in mind (which isn’t her fault, because she is japanese while this is a very american centric issue, though it doen’t mean there is no racism in japan or anywhere else) and she just went with whatever color she likes at the time.
and if you still insist on using official art, then explain this. Or this, or this, because their skin doesn’t look gray to me. yes there are pictures where they looks gray but as i said above
Hoshino
just went with whatever color she likes at the time. And anime isn’t counted as official source since the author rarely involve in the process. Then can you tell me what color Tyki’s skin is in this? And Road in this? And most importantly, little Nea in this. They all are in human form, and they don’t look brown or dark skin to me. So i will said it again: Hoshino’s official arts are not reliable source for any characters races.
(And the fact that they have darker skin when in villain form is clearly shown in the book, i don’t even know why you blame it on me or trying to imply that i made that up : if you think there is a problem with that you probably should talk to Hoshino not me)
So until their race is official and clearly stated, people have the rights to headcanon the characters as whatever races they want, even white. And you know what OP? It’s okay for you to headcanon them not white, the problem here is you told people to stop draw them as white which means you think your headcanon is more legit than them while you don’t even have convincing evidences for your theores. The last thing i want to say now is: Keep your headcanon of Mana and Nea being POC as you want, but please stop saying people should take it as canon, because it isn’t.
(and if you’re wondering, i’m an asian girl who live in asia, so usually i like to headcanon them as asian, not white as you assumed)
Can fandom please finally agree to stop depicting Nea’s original body and his brother as white guys?
Because please, seriously- we have a color image of his brother in human form- he’s not white. We have that volume cover that was supposed to be Nea (albeit in Allen’s body) – they showed it was him by making him not white. We also have the time Nea reacted to seeing Allen’s face in the mirror which summed up as pretty much “holy shit this guy is really white” – which would be a weird thing to say unless your old body wasn’t white. How much more evidence do you flipping need to get it that the Campbell kids aren’t white?
“But if they aren’t white, then why aren’t they always shaded in!” – gee I don’t know, to save on shading? Timcanpy isn’t always shaded, yet somehow none of us forget the glorified Snitch is gold.
Though seriously, before you start pulling up your evidence and theories about why they could be white, you should probably ask why it’s a problem for you for them not to be white.
does anyone have evidence on this or like chapter numbers like im not doubting OP or anything i just havent read dgrayman in literally a few years so i forgot all about this stuff
And as a bonus, it should be noted that both Wisely and Allen observed that Nea looks a lot like Tyki Mikk, who is regularly depicted as not white in the manga art, and even the anime retconned their initial choice of him having white by the end of their run.
i think you have mistaken their Noah’s skin color with their real skin color, when they are in Noah mode, their skin tend to be darker. Also in the second picture, it’s not Nea, it’s Allen in Noah mode (Nea’s real hair is black) & Allen is white, the tone of his skin here is only to show that he is in Noah mode. About the whole ‘
Nea seeing his reflection in Allen’s body
’ stuffs, as i already said the reason COULD be because Allen has white hair, like really white! normal people, especially teenagers don’t have white hair like that, so it surprised him :
“
Tyki Mikk, who is regularly depicted as not white in the manga art
” because usually he is in Noah mode, when he is in human mode his skin is white (i think he is
Portuguese or something, you can check it in the dgm wiki) so yeah… all of this prove nothing :
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