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So I’m on AO3 and I see a lot of people who put “I do not own [insert fandom here]” before their story.

Like, I came on this site to read FAN fiction. This is a FAN fiction site. I’m fully aware that you don’t own the fandom or the characters. That’s why it’s called FAN FICTION.

Oh you youngins… How quickly they forget.

Back in the day, before fan fiction was mainstream and even encouraged by creators… This was your “please don’t sue me, I’m poor and just here for a good time” plea.

Cause guess what? That shit used to happen.

how soon they forget ann rice’s lawyers.

What happened with her lawyers.

History became legend. Legend became myth….  And some things that should not have been forgotten were lost.

I worked with one of the women that got contacted by Rice’s lawyers. Scared the hell out of her and she never touched fandom again.
The first time I saw a commission post on tumblr for fanart, I was shocked.

One of the reasons I fell out of love with her writing was her treatment of the fans… (that and the opening chapter of Lasher gave me such heebie-jeebies with the whole underage sex thing I felt unclean just reading it.)

I have zero problem with fanart/fic so long as the creators aren’t making money off of it. It is someone else’s intellectual property and people who create fan related works need to respect that (and a solid 98% of them do.)

The remaining 2% are either easily swayed by being gently prompted to not cash in on someone else’s IP. Or they DGAF… and they are the ones who will eventually land themselves in hot water. Either way: this isn’t much of an excuse to persecute your entire fanbase.

But Anne Rice went off the deep end with this stuff by actively attacking people who were expressing their love for her work and were not profiteering from it.

The Vampire Chronicles was a dangerous fandom to be in back in the day. Most of the works I read/saw were hidden away in the dark recesses of the internet and covered by disclaimers (a lot of them reading like thoroughly researched legal documents.)

And woe betide anyone who was into shipping anyone with ANYONE in that fandom. You were most at risk, it seemed, if your vision of the characters deviated from the creators ‘original intentions.’ (Hypocritical of a woman who made most of her living writing erotica.)

Imagine getting sued over a headcanon…

Put simply: we all lived in fear of her team of highly paid lawyers descending from the heavens and taking us to court over a slashfic less than 500 words long.

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Reblogging because I can’t believe there are people out there who don’t know the story behind fan fiction disclaimers. 

Yep I used to have disclaimers on all my Buffy fic back in the day. The Buffy creators were mostly pretty chill about fandom but it’s not like it is now. You did NOT talk about fandom with anyone except other fandom people and bringing it up at cons was a massive no no because of stuff like this.

I think Supernatural (and Misha Collins specifically) was when that wall between fandom and creators started to break down. It’s a relatively new thing.

I remember going to a Merlin panel down in London and a girl sitting next to me asked the cast about slash and I thought she was going to get kicked out!

Fandom history is important.

Oh, this brings back some not so-awesome ‘90s fandom memories! 

Oh man, let me tell you about the X-Files fandom. Lawyers for FOX sued, threatened, and generally terrified the owners of fan websites on a regular basis. God help you if you wrote or created original art set in their (expansive) universe or worse – dared to write about their characters. Even people who weren’t creating fanworks, just hosting Geocities pages about how much people liked the show would be sent C&D orders or actually fined. When I was first discovering the concept, the first rule of fandom was you do not talk about fandom because the consequences could be devastating.

It was such a strange and uncomfortable experience for me when fans in LOTR and Potter fandoms suddenly started shoving their work in people’s faces speaking publicly about fandom and wanting to engage in dialogue with the creators and actors of the Thing they were into. Fan stuff was supposed to stay online, in archives and list-serves and zines we passed around because it just wasn’t cool to talk about it and it could get you in a boatload of trouble. The freedom we have to create and gather together in a shared space, or actually be acknowledged in any way by people outside the fandom was inconceivable to my fannish, teenaged self. I want fans these days to understand how amazing modern fandom really is, cherish the community, and appreciate what it took to get us here. 

“if you found this by googling yourself, hit back now. this means you, pete wentz”

Oh hey, even more blasts from the past.

I was one of the ones who got a love letter from Anne Rice’s lawyers. Bear in mind that up until that point her publisher had encouraged fanfic and worked with the archive keeper (one of my roommates at the time) to drum up publicity for upcoming books and so on.

I could tell such tales of how much Anne screwed over her fans back then. The tl;dr version is that she and her peeps would use fan projects as free market research and then bring in the lawyers once it was felt Anne could make money off of it herself. (Talismanic Tours being one of the most offensive examples of this.)

But where fanfic is concerned not only did we get nastygrams but one of my friends had Anne’s lawyer trying to fuck up her own privately owned business which had NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING ANNE RELATED. Said friend was a small business owner with health issues who wasn’t exactly rolling in money, so guess how well that went?

On top of that when yours truly tried to speak out about it I discovered that someone in Anne’s camp had been cyber stalking me to the point where they took all the tiny crumbs of personal information I had posted over the course of five years or so and used it to doxx me (before that was even a term and in early enough days of the WWW that this wasn’t an easy task) and post VERY personal information about me on the main fandom message board of the time. Luckily for me the mod was my friend and she took that down post haste, but it was still oodles of fun feeling that violated and why to this day I am very strict about keeping my fandom and personal lives separate online.

Hence why those of us in the fandom at the time who still gave enough of a shit to want to keep writing fic DID keep writing fic, but shoved it so far underground and slapped it with so many disclaimers they could’ve outweighed the word count of War & Peace. It wasn’t just for the purpose of protecting fic but for trying to protect our personal lives as well.

(Also would love to know who @tiger-in-the-flightdeck

knew. Life paths crossing after so many years….)

Lucasfilm also sent cease-and-desist letters to Star Wars fanzines publishing slash.

My favourite bit I read from one included the idea that you weren’t allowed to have any explicit content, of which anything queer, no matter how tame, was included, to “preserve that innocence even Imperial crew members must be imagined to have”.

Yeah. The same Imperial crew members who helped build the Death Star to commit planetary genocide.

(It’s one reason Sinjir Velus, while I still have some issues with him, feels like such a delicious ‘f*** you’.)

Later on, they were apparently persuaded to ‘allow’ fans to write slash, provided in ‘remained within the nebulous bounds of good taste’.

(On a related note, if I wasn’t quite so attached to my URL, I would 100% change it to ‘Nebulous Bounds’, because that’s just downright catchy)

Anne McCaffrey had this huge long set of rules about how exactly you were allowed to play in her sandbox. Dragonriders of Pern was my first online fandom, and I was big into the Pern RP scene – and just about every fan-Weyr had a copy of these lists of rules McCaffrey wanted enforced. One of which was ‘no porn’ and another was basically ‘it can’t be gay’ (and for a while ‘no fanfiction posted online’? which??? anyway.)

She relaxed a little as time went on, but still. 

Let’s not forget: the reason AO3 is called ‘Archive of our own’  is because it was created in response to some bullshit that assholes were trying to play with fan creators. Basically (if I remember the fiasco correctly) trying to mine fandom creators for content which they could then use to generate ad profit on their shitty websites. When the series creators objected, the fans tried to pull their content, only to find that the website hoster resisted, claiming their content was all his now.

That wasn’t even all that long ago…

fandom history class

To this day, *talking* about writing or reading fanfiction – just acknowledging that it exists – to anyone other than people I know are in fandom as well, feels like a dangerous act. The strict separation I maintained between my real life identity, my online identity, and my fandom identity (yes, they were separate, because some of the most vicious and mocking people were fellow nerds) has broken down a bit these days, but I don’t think I’ll ever be able to integrate them as freely as some younger fans do.

Everybody should know that AO3 is just one project of the Organization for Transformative Works. Their mission is much broader than just hosting a (very good) fanfic site. They do all kinds of fandom history archiving and publish an academic journal, but most importantly, they perform legal advocacy to protect the fair use rights of people who make fanfic or fanart.

The OTW Legal Committee’s mission includes education, assistance, and advocacy.

  • We create and post educational materials about developments in fandom-related law on transformativeworks.org and on archiveofourown.org.
  • We assist individual fans when their fanworks are challenged, we answer fans’ questions about law relevant to fanworks, and we help fans find legal representation.
  • We partner with other advocacy organizations and coalitions in the U.S. and around the world.
  • We advocate for laws and policies that promote balance and protect fanworks and fandom.
  • And much more!

I haven’t been involved in fandom stuff all that long, but I find this stuff so fascinating!

whew, i feel old, but that’s mostly bc i was on forums way way waaaaay too young. but this? yes. all the way.

people had password protected forums on the weirdest, most unconventional websites. before you could even be approved by the mods they would search your blog, your other accounts, question you, everything, all because we were broke teens and preteens trying to do something for fun and if someone got in who could doxx you or send your work over to a lawyer? that was it, you were OVER. that’s also part of where fandom wars and the defense of fandom came from: quote unquote “enemy” fandoms would infiltrate just to hurt you.

@theglintoftherail makes a very good point: ao3 is a goddamn haven. and they’re a great team of lawyers and people dedicated to protecting fanworks! part of the reason it’s so great is because they know there’s no one like them out there. they also go to the ends of the damned earth to protect you and to be inclusive, which is why there’s shit like tentacle porn and underage and dubcon. because they’re dedicated to protecting readers and creators to the death. they don’t advocate for it and they have the extensive rating and tagging system because of that (legit the best tagging system i’ve ever seen) but they don’t know if you’re dealing with trauma or if you need to get something out.

do not forget your fandom, kids. jesus

Who else knew nothing about this? A show of hands

I’m just the right age to remember the disclaimers and to have HEARD about the Anne Rice, Anne McCaffrey, and X-Files fiascos, but I was never in any of those fandoms and I was more or less on the tail end of that. I can’t imagine having to be scared to tell people I write fanfic. So glad we’ve come so far.

20+ years ago, I used to be terrified someone would try to sue me for the fanfic I was writing. I covered my work in disclaimers and posted it from school PCs on the ‘guest’ account so no one could track me. I remember looking up at the school security camera as I posted my work, wondering if the school got a Cease & Desist letter if they’d trawl through the footage and discover it was me and know I was writing naughty gay fanfic. I imagined the entire school finding out what I’d written.

Conversely, last year, I featured in the ‘notable fans’ section of the Tomb Raider 20th Anniversary’ book – an official publication – as a fanfic writer. 

It’s fantastic how fandom is becoming a part of enjoying content and is slowly, slowly being normalized ❤

This is where we can all say thank you to JK Rowling and Stephenie Meyer for the major role they played in mainstreaming fanfic.

BDSM (Boarding Doesn’t Suck Much)

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cetaceans-pls:

The one where a dinky little polytechnic on the outskirts of Tokyo provides an education on sado-masochism, pain-pleasure, rope techniques, and an understanding of when the garbageman will and won’t pick up burnable trash from the front of the dorms.

Part 1


The school had made waves when it first opened its doors, 7 years ago. A lot of press had shown up in front of their nondescript building, a repurposed elementary school that had been abandoned and quite possibly haunted for a long while prior to this acquisition. The school had been tagged as being just another fad, like the ‘finishing schools’ butler cafes ran to train newbies and whatever the hell creepy ass counterpart there is for barely-legal maids.

Keep reading

What, dude, holy shit. You know I’ve been enamoured with the ninja school fic already, but this seriously takes it to the next level. (Have you ever tried to google ‘gimp suit’ at work? Well, now I have.) Only part 1 though – needs more!

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saucywenchwritingblog:

I’ve seen five different authors take down, or prepare to take down, their posted works on Ao3 this week.  At the same time, I’ve seen several people wishing there was more new content to read.  I’ve also seen countless posts by authors begging for people to leave comments and kudos. 

People tell me I am a big name fan in my chosen fandom.  I don’t quite get that but for the purposes of this post, let’s roll with it.  On my latest one shot, less than 18% of the people who read it bothered to hit the kudos button.  Sure, okay, maybe that one sort of sucked.  Let’s look at the one shot posted before that – less than 16% left kudos.  Before that – 10%, and then 16%.  I’m not even going to get into the comments.  Let’s just say the numbers drop a lot.  I’m just looking at one shots here so we don’t have to worry about multiple hits from multiple chapters, people reading previous chapters over, etc.  And if I am a BNF, that means other people are getting significantly less kudos and comments.

Fandom is withering away because it feels like people don’t care about the works that are posted.  Why should I go to the trouble of posting my stories if no one reads them, and of the people who do read them, less than a fifth like them?  Even if you are not a huge fan of the story, if it kept your attention long enough for you to get to the bottom, go ahead and mash that kudos button.  It’s a drop of encouragement in a big desert. 

TL;DR: Passively devouring content is killing fandom.

Reblogging again

So much this

You know, kudos and comments are much beloved by all esp. yrs truly, but I have to say: I’ve been posting fic for 20 years, and I have never in my entire life had a story stay above a 1:9 kudos to hits ratio (or comments to hits, back when kudo wasn’t an option). Usually they don’t stay above 1:10, once they’ve been around for a few weeks.

I also have a working background in online marketing. In social media 1:10 is what you would call a solid engagement score, when people actually care about your product (as opposed to “liking” your Facebook page so they could join a contest or whatever). If BNFs are getting 1:5 – and I do sometimes see it – that is sky-high engagement. Take any celebrity; take Harry Styles, who has just under 30M followers and doesn’t tweet all that often. He regularly gets 3-400K likes, 1-200K retweets. I’ve seen him get up to just under 1M likes on a tweet. That’s a 1:30 engagement ratio, for Harry Styles, and though some of you guys enjoy my fics and have said so, I don’t think you have as lasting a relationship with my stories as Harry Styles’s fans do with him. XD;

Again, this is not to say we, as readers, should all go home and not bother to kudo or comment or engage with fic writers. That definitely is a recipe for discouraging what you want to see in future. But this is not the first post I’ve seen that suggests a 20% kudo ratio is the equivalent of yelling into the void, and I’m worried that we as writers are discouraging ourselves because our expectations are out of whack.

I think about this a lot, because it’s important to know what a realistic goal to expect from an audience is, even though I admit it definitely is kind of depressing when you look at the numbers. I was doing reading on what sort of money you can expect to make from a successful webcomic, and the general rule of thumb seems to be that if your merchandising is meshing well with your audience, about 1% will give you merch. I imagine ‘subscribe to patreon’ also falls in this general range. 

Stuff that is ONLY available for dollars are obviously going to have a different way of measuring this, but when it comes to ‘If people can consume something without engaging back in any fashion (hitting a like button, buying something, leaving a comment)’ the vast majority will.

And as a creator that is frustrating but as a consumer it’s pretty easy to see how it happens. I have gotten steadily worse at even liking posts, much less leaving comments on ones I enjoy, since I started using tumblr. It’s very difficult to engage consistently. I always kudo on any fanfic I read and comment on the vast majority, but then again I don’t read a lot of fanfic, if you are someone who browses AO3 constantly/regularly for months or years, I could see how it’s easy to stop engaging. I don’t remember to like every YT video or tumblr fanart I see, much less comment on them.

When we are constantly consuming free content it’s hard to remember to engage with it or what that engagement means to the creators. And lol, honestly that sucks. Certainly as consumers we should be better about it. But also like, as a creator be kinder to yourself by setting a realistic bar of what you can achieve. 

And IMO, if numbers matter to you (kudos, comments, etc) be honest about the fact that you CAN improve those things by marketing yourself better. The ‘I just produced my art and put it out there and got insanely popular because it was just so brilliant’ is less than a one a million chance. Lots of amazing content is overlooked every day because there is a lot of good content and a metric fuckton of mediocre to bad content. You can only SORT of judge the quality of your work based on the audience it generates, but if what you WANT is an audience there is way, way, WAY more you can be doing than simply producing whatever you immediately feel like. Marketing yourself is a skill and if you want the benefits of it you have to practice it.

I have a professional background in internet marketing as my day job and a moderate hobby business. My definition for “moderate” is “it pays for itself, keeps me in product, and occasionally buys groceries.”

In the day job, which is for an extremely large global company, there are entire teams of people whose entire purpose of employment is to ensure a 3% conversion rate. That’s it. That is for a Fortune 100 company: the success metric is for 3% of all visitors to a marketing web site to click the “send me more info” link.

My moderate business that pays for itself has a 0.94% conversion rate of views to orders. Less than 1%, and it’s still worth its time – and this is without me bothering to do any marketing beyond instagram and tumblr posts with new product.

I know it feels like no one is paying attention to you and you’re wasting your time if you don’t get everyone clicking kudos or commenting but I promise, I PROMISE, you are doing fantastically, amazingly well with your 10% rate. You probably aren’t going to go viral AND THAT’S FINE. You’re only hurting yourself if you’re expecting a greater return – don’t call yourself a failure, because you’re NOT. You’re just looking at it the wrong way. I promise, you’re lovely just the way you are.

This is actually really good to know – helpful.

I keep track of what stories are doing well based on the reading to kudos ratio. I aim for close to 10%…and a story that hits between 5% and 10% kudos, to me, is considered a success. That means 10% of all readers liked the story enough to slap the kudos button. For me – that’s a big deal. Enough to struggle with writers block, re-writes, edits, writing when I’m tired, etc etc etc.

A story with a low kudos ration may get taken down as a “not enough liked it to deal with the stress of writing it.”

I just got some people interested in a story I haven’t touched in 2 years. I checked its kudos ration. It’s almost 7% on a self-insert. Damn. I should work on that story. See?

And oddly enough – sometimes I look not at total hits or kudos, but a kudo ratio to see if a long story is worth trying out. Because you may have low numbers, but if you’re hitting close to 10%…I’mma give that story a solid chance and 99% of the time add to that kudos ratio because that means 10% of the readership loved it.

I think…no, I know that I don’t understand marketing numbers well. I know that 10% kudos ratio seems low. Especially since hitting that kudos button is so easy. But then I think about stories I’ve read where I haven’t hit the kudos button and yeah…ok…I get it. I’m guilty of it too. We all are.

So hey – kudos to the people who leave me kudos.

CAKE to the people who leave me a comment. Even if it’s just a whole bunch of ❤ ❤ ❤ <3. 

I love you too!

This is interesting because I actually teach online engagement at university. And most online content is lucky to get a 2% “like” rate on a facebook post or a blog. TO expect a 10% response rate is an unrealistic expectation IMHO. If people leave a comment, that’s a higher degree of engagement- it shows a level of personal investment that NO so called “published” author gets to see unless you count Amazon reviews (which are dubious and in the so tiny % per purchasers that it isn’t appropriate to compare).  I think authors should also consider the QUALITY of engagement- and also whether it is a one shot or a multi-chapter fic. If it’s long (and I am currently at 50 of a 55 chapter story of over 250,000 words in length, I know that every one of those hits is someone who is *really* engaged with the material. And I write for them. And the comments and exchanges and feelings that get shared are better than leaving a pile of books on a table that says “buy me” as a way of measuring my worth as a writer. Which is why I write fan fiction.  Thank you for starting this conversation. I think that my current co-authoress J_Baillier would agree.

Oh yes, co-authoress mine, if one could pick it would naturally be quality over quantity when it comes to reader engagement 🙂 BUT I still love every and each comment and commenter, whether they be three-page essays OR just a smiley face. I constantly feel guilty for how much I read and how little I comment – my only consolation is that perhaps the emphasis of my contributions to the fandom are the stories I write.

In a way, I agree with all of the above, and none of it. I write, because these things pop into my head which I want to put on paper/screen. I would write, and I did write Sherlock stories when I practically had no readership at all. Kudos, comments, recs and reviees are a wonderful bonus and yes, immensely rewarding and an endless amount of fun, but even if their flow suddenly completely ceased, I would not stop writing. I don’t feel entitled to a single shout-out, it’s not why I do this. And that’s why I so cherish every and each time a reader reaches out to me, whether that be in the form of kudos, comments or just a step up on the visitor counter. I have actively told fellow sherlockians about my works, ie done a bit of coy self-marketing, because it’s fun to see my stories find a readership looking for precisely that sort of stuff, but I see RED when I spot author’s notes in the vein of “reviews will make me write faster”, “I will finish this story if I get at least X comments”. I think that for some authors, the fast-delivered satisfaction of getting reviews/comments on chapters of a WIP is actually conducive to the story never getting finished – since the reward has already been received, and attention has been the primary motivation, what reason would they have for forcing themselves to put in the work? I think the whole huge emphasis on seeing attention as a currency that is somehow automatically deserved is a big reason why there are so many forever-WIPs around. 

I think that it’s also important to remember that many of us readers download fics so that we can read them on other devices. And if those devices aren’t online—and mine is not—then the process of leaving kudos means that I need, next time I’m online, to (remember to) navigate back to the story on AO3 to leave kudos. And that’s frankly a higher bar, one I tend not to surmount unless I actually intend to leave a comment, as I do with stories that speak to me especially well or that seem to embody a higher quality of writing. I don’t know a way around that, although if an author had access to d/l stats that might help them feel that portion of their readership. Because I only d/l a (completed) work if I really intend to read it; I’ve already skimmed the first chapter to make sure I’ll be invested enough to finish reading it. So for me, a d/l is essentially an unmeasured kudo, and I wonder how prevalent that is throughout fandom readers.

Hey! Im a new fan of the comics and such, and I was wondering if Maxicest is canon in the comics? Some people swear it is, but can never provide me the names of them (I want to actually get them) and so I was wondering if you had it? Thanks xx

chovihanni:

If you’re looking for outright, blatant, in your face
Maxicest, look no further than Universe 1610 (Ultimates Universe), where Mark
Millar and Jeph Loeb finally  brought the true nature of the twin’s ‘closeness’
out of the shadows of decades worth of innuendo and insinuated allusion that
existed in the main continuity.  

Quite a few people seem impervious to the fact that Maxicest
has been hinted at all along in every single universe, including good old 616—but
make no make no mistakes, it has been there all along, slipped in and
worded/illustrated vaguely enough so that it wouldn’t set off the conservative masses
and the censors. See, that’s something most people in this day and age don’t
realize or stop to consider—for decades, comic books were heavily  censored by the
toughest body in America, the Comics Code Authority [ CCA ], which had a very
strict code.

Why is that important? Because in order to spot 
the maxicest in the older comics, you have to understand the code and
how it came to rule the industry.

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decepticonsensual:

“How can you ship that, it’s toxic!” is honestly a question that makes no sense to me.

Like, “How can you eat that, it’s spicy!”

That may make you not want to eat it, and I respect your decision.  But you’re going to get a bit of a blank look from me.

To continue the metaphor;

Places that serve spicy food (that I have been to) tend to make note of that on their menus, and occasionally note how spicy it is as well.

Sometimes you’ll order a dish and take a bite and say ‘oh, this is hotter than I was expecting.’ At that point, some people will continue to eat it anyway. Maybe they’ll find out that they enjoy it. Some people will have their eyes start to water and they’ll need to eat an entire basket of breadsticks after to get rid of the taste. Some people might offer it to someone else at the table and get another dish that they like better. Those are all reasonable responses to getting food you weren’t expecting.

What you don’t do is order the hottest dish on the menu, and then complain how spicy it is.

Boom.

AFAICT “shipping” has this connotation of “what’s best for the characters” so watching people defend ships that are toxic/unhealthy/abusive/whatever because they’re interesting (and they very well can be) always feels like watching people repeatedly use words slightly wrong and then wonder why they’re misunderstood.

Wait, how am I using words slightly wrong? Am I doing that when I write fic, too?

If so, *uses all the words wrong*

When people say “how can you ship that, it’s toxic” they might be wrongly over generalizing a distaste for “spicyness” into an objective rule, but more often (imo) they’re leaning on certain connotations of shipping: that it’s something one does when one is emotionally involved with a character and wants to see them happy and thriving in a certain relationship (which is obviously anti-thetical to “spicy” ships, given that spicy = toxic here). I say “slightly wrong” because ignoring connotations really isn’t wrong, but at the same time it’s really not surprising that both sides are somewhat mistified at what the other side is even saying.

If people who want “spicy” ships were to consistently say “I think this relationship would be entertaining to watch/read about” instead of “I ship this relationship” I don’t think there’d be nearly half the discourse about this.

That operates from an assumption that the “right” connotation is “shipping means wanting to see a character in the relationship best for them” and not “shipping means wanting to see a character in the relationship most interesting to me.”

I have always assumed people ship things because it’s interesting to them. When did it ever become “what’s best for them”? 

No, really, that’s a question – I’m an old school fandom denizen and shipping used to be something you defended on the basis of you liked reading XYZ, or maybe canon supported more interaction of A + B, or at closest the argument that C + D would balance out or cause redemption for one of them, but I can’t say I’ve ever assumed that even the last bit meant “best/healthiest” because it’s not. It’s interesting to me the reader.

To “ship” is short hand slang. I feel like assuming it means “best/healthiest” is reading a lot into what someone else is saying. Also assuming someone wants to see a character happy and thriving is sort of counter to every fanfic author or reader who likes putting the characters through the wringer. I might like a happy ending, but I want 100k of wringer squeezing, angst, hurt, and agony first.

I think, really, shipping is “what makes the character tastiest to me”, and the default vanilla kind of flavour is “what makes the character happiest and healthiest”.  This is the kind of flavour I like, so I very very rarely ship ships that “taste” any other way–for me, “shipping” is usually synonymous with “wanting the character at their happiest and healthiest”.

But those of us who like vanilla need to remember that ours is not the only flavour preference, and other flavour preferences aren’t wrong.

I suspected some months ago that a lot of the wank about “shipping” might actually be an issue of semantics, and this thread certainly seems to bear that out.

@szhmidty I’m not sure how long you’ve been in fandom, but in my twenty-ish years floating around various fan communities, it’s only very recently and in very limited Tumblr circles that I’ve seen people using the term “ship” to refer exclusively to healthy relationships. Browsing through the notes on this post, longer-term fans all seem to agree that “ship” has traditionally meant putting characters together for any reason that seems interesting – not necessarily as representation of an ideal or healthy relationship.

Yeah, this. “I ship it” has a huge variety of meanings. For me, it can mean anything from “So what if they’ve never met? They’d be hot together!” to “Oh man they could break each other to pieces, I need to read that” to “What if?” to “wow, I never even thought of that before but that art is GORGEOUS” to “obviously they need to be together forever.” It says nothing about whether I think the releationship is healthy. It says nothing about whether I think it’s ever going to be canon. Fiction isn’t only wish-fulfillment or morality plays, it’s a lot richer than that. So many flavors all immersed together, so rich and complex. Like a good vindaloo – you appreciate the complexity even while your eyeballs are melting just a little. (I crave spicy food like air.)

I once read that “I ship it” is shorthand for “I think there’s a story there, and I’m interested in that story.” It doesn’t make a statement on what kind of story it is–a lovely romance unfolding, or dirty fucking, or two people being manipulative toxic shits to each other. Those are all interesting stories, and some people are going to like some of those stories more than others. 

on fanfic & emotional continuity

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Writing and reading fanfic is a masterclass in characterisation. 

Consider: in order to successfully write two different “versions” of the same character – let alone ten, or fifty, or a hundred – you have to make an informed judgement about their core personality traits, distinguishing between the results of nature and nurture, and decide how best to replicate those conditions in a new narrative context. The character you produce has to be recognisably congruent with the canonical version, yet distinct enough to fit within a different – perhaps wildly so – story. And you physically can’t accomplish this if the character in question is poorly understood, or viewed as a stereotype, or one-dimensional. Yes, you can still produce the fic, but chances are, if your interest in or knowledge of the character(s) is that shallow, you’re not going to bother in the first place. 

Because ficwriters care about nuance, and they especially care about continuity – not just literal continuity, in the sense of corroborating established facts, but the far more important (and yet more frequently neglected) emotional continuity. Too often in film and TV canons in particular, emotional continuity is mistakenly viewed as a synonym for static characterisation, and therefore held anathema: if the character(s) don’t change, then where’s the story? But emotional continuity isn’t anti-change; it’s pro-context. It means showing how the character gets from Point A to Point B as an actual journey, not just dumping them in a new location and yelling Because Reasons! while moving on to the next development. Emotional continuity requires a close reading, not just of the letter of the canon, but its spirit – the beats between the dialogue; the implications never overtly stated, but which must logically occur off-screen. As such, emotional continuity is often the first casualty of canonical forward momentum: when each new TV season demands the creation of a new challenge for the protagonists, regardless of where and how we left them last, then dealing with the consequences of what’s already happened is automatically put on the backburner.

Fanfic does not do this. 

Fanfic embraces the gaps in the narrative, the gracenotes in characterisation that the original story glosses, forgets or simply doesn’t find time for. That’s not all it does, of course, but in the context of learning how to write characters, it’s vital, because it teaches ficwriters – and fic readers – the difference between rich and cardboard characters. A rich character is one whose original incarnation is detailed enough that, in order to put them in fanfic, the writer has to consider which elements of their personality are integral to their existence, which clash irreparably with the new setting, and which can be modified to fit, to say nothing of how this adapted version works with other similarly adapted characters. A cardboard character, by contrast, boasts so few original or distinct attributes that the ficwriter has to invent them almost out of whole cloth. Note, please, that attributes are not necessarily synonymous with details in this context: we might know a character’s favourite song and their number of siblings, but if this information gives us no actual insight into them as a person, then it’s only window-dressing. By the same token, we might know very few concrete facts about a character, but still have an incredibly well-developed sense of their personhood on the basis of their actions

The fact that ficwriters en masse – or even the same ficwriter in different AUs – can produce multiple contradictory yet still fundamentally believable incarnations of the same person is a testament to their understanding of characterisation, emotional continuity and narrative. 

So I was reading this rumination on fanfic and I was thinking about something @involuntaryorange once talked to me about, about fanfic being its own genre, and something about this way of thinking really rocked my world? Because for a long time I have thought like a lawyer, and I have defined fanfiction as “fiction using characters that originated elsewhere,” or something like that. And now I feel like…fanfiction has nothing to do with using other people’s characters, it’s just a character-driven *genre* that is so character-driven that it can be more effective to use other people’s characters because then we can really get the impact of the storyteller’s message but I feel like it could also be not using other people’s characters, just a more character-driven story. Like, I feel like my original stuff–the novellas I have up on AO3, the draft I just finished–are probably really fanfiction, even though they’re original, because they’re hitting fanfic beats. And my frustration with getting original stuff published has been, all along, that I’m calling it a genre it really isn’t. 

And this is why many people who discover fic stop reading other stuff. Once you find the genre you prefer, you tend to read a lot in that genre. Some people love mysteries, some people love high-fantasy. Saying you love “fic” really means you love this character-driven genre. 

So when I hear people be dismissive of fic I used to think, Are they just not reading the good fic? Maybe I need to put the good fic in front of them? But I think it turns out that fanfiction is a genre that is so entirely character-focused that it actually feels weird and different, because most of our fiction is not that character-focused. 

It turns out, when I think about it, I am simply a character-based consumer of pop culture. I will read and watch almost anything but the stuff that’s going to stick with me is because I fall for a particular character. This is why once a show falters and disagrees with my view of the character, I can’t just, like, push past it, because the show *was* the character for me. 

Right now my big thing is the Juno Steel stories, and I know that they’re doing all this genre stuff and they have mysteries and there’s sci-fi and meanwhile I’m just like, “Okay, whatever, I don’t care about that, JUNO STEEL IS THE BEST AND I WANT TO JUST ROLL AROUND IN HIS SARCASTIC, HILARIOUS, EMOTIONALLY PINING HEAD.” That is the fanfiction-genre fan in me coming out. Someone looking for sci-fi might not care about that, but I’m the type of consumer (and I think most fic-people are) who will spend a week focusing on what one throwaway line might reveal about a character’s state of mind. That’s why so many fics *focus* on those one throwaway lines. That’s what we’re thinking about. 

And this is what makes coffee shop AUs so amazing. Like, you take some characters and you stick them in a coffee shop. That’s it. And yet I love every single one of them. Because the focus is entirely on the characters. There is no plot. The plot is they get coffee every day and fall in love. That’s the entire plot. And that’s the perfect fanfic plot. Fanfic plots are almost always like that. Almost always references to other things that clue you in to where the story is going. Think of “friends to lovers” or “enemies to lovers” or “fake relationship,” and you’re like, “Yes. I love those. Give me those,” and you know it’s going to be the same plot, but that’s okay, you’re not reading for the plot. It’s like that Tumblr post that goes around that’s like, “Me starting a fake relationship fic: Ooooh, do you think they’ll fall in love for real????” But you’re not reading for the suspense. Fic frees you up from having to spend effort thinking about the plot. Fic gives your brain space to focus entirely on the characters. And, especially in an age of plot-twist-heavy pop culture, that almost feels like a luxury. “Come in. Spend a little time in this character’s head. SPEND HOURS OF YOUR LIFE READING SO MANY STORIES ABOUT THIS CHARACTER’S HEAD. Until you know them like a friend. Until you know them so well that you miss them when you’re not hanging out with them.” 

When that is your story, when the characters become like your friends, it makes sense that you’re freed from plot. It’s like how many people don’t really have a “plot” to hanging out with their friends. There’s this huge obsession with plot, but lives don’t have plots. Lives just happen. We try to shape them into plots later, but that’s just this organizational fiction we’re imposing. Plot doesn’t have to be the raison d’etre of all story-telling, and fic reminds us of that. 

Idk, this was a lot of random rambling but I’ve been thinking about it a lot lately. 

“fanfiction has nothing to do with using other people’s characters, it’s just a character-driven *genre* that is so character-driven that it can be more effective to use other people’s characters”

yes!!!! I feel like I knew this on some level but I’ve never explicitly thought about it that way. this feels right, yep. Mainstream fiction often seems very dry to me and I think this is why – it tends to skip right over stuff that would be a huge plot arc in a fanfic, if not an entire fanfic in itself. And I’m like, “hey, wait, go back to that. Why are you skipping that? Where’s the story?” But now I think maybe people who don’t like fanfiction are going like, “why is there an entire fanfic about something that could have happened offscreen? Is anything interesting ever going to happen here? Where’s the story?”

Yes! Exactly! This!!!

This crystallized for me when I taught my first class of fanfiction to non-fic-readers and they just kept being like, “But nothing happens. What’s the plot?” and I was so confused, like, “What are you talking about? They fall in love. That’s the plot.” But we were, I think, talking past each other. They kept waiting for some big moment to happen, but for me the point was that the little moments were the big moments. 

Some thoughts:

One of the things I have always found hugely wonderful and important about fanfic is the synergy involved, the bringing together of disparate things. Most notable is the connection of one person’s writing with another person’s characters—you are working with what you would never have thought to create on your own, and that combination brings something new to the table and the act of working with it is a generative power of its own. When writing fanfic of your own characters, the synergy is still present in taking stuff built for one context and putting it in another, sorting out what’s native to the character from what’s native to the situation.

It’s also very true that the focus of fanfic is often quite different than what we see in official media. I’ve seen commentary about how hurt/comfort fills a particular void in TV shows, where characters move on from trauma with no closure to it, just getting over it as the plot moves on.

One of the things I find hilarious here is that my high school AP English teacher would go on and on about the difference between commercial fiction and literary fiction, and how literary fiction was better because it focused on character while commercial fiction was just empty action, and now here comes fanfiction to fill that void and focus on characters better than literary fiction ever did, and it’s still getting dismissed as lazy writing by people who lack the discipline to build their own characters* — while it’s almost overwhelmingly “commercial fiction” that is fanfic’d because commercial fiction makes better characters

It’s kind of like those two sets of fiction each had half of the answer and never put it together because they refused to talk to each other—that much of literary fiction is introspective character study of characters that aren’t very interesting, and much of commercial fiction is fascinating characters that spend all their time on action and rarely give us the close looks and interesting interactions that we’d actually like to hear from these ones. (The first “modern” fandom was for Sherlock Holmes, disdained by his own creator along the lines of “garbage whose popularity distracted from his more serious works; the astounding success of Star Wars is in great part the combination of interesting character focus and interesting characters; in a way, one could call it a defining early work of the genre, if we’re being expansive and defining by character focus rather than the amount of borrowing taking place).

*building one’s own characters is missing the other point of fanfiction, which is to make more and other stories of beloved characters than the official authors are capable of producing. And, at the same time, the use of characters we wouldn’t have created lead us to create stories we wouldn’t have created on our own either. And that’s not cheating, that’s not laziness, that’s creation. That’s a glorious synergy. That’s making stuff that couldn’t possibly exist any other way, and a lot of it is the best stuff that could exist, far eclipsing what either creator could do on their own.

And that’s beautiful.

My Gigantic List of Almost-Finished-But-Not-Quite Laviyuu Things – Update 2

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Things I’m still definitely going to write and finish in no particular order:

I Against I (Canon) – JHC I’m like friggin’ embarrassed by how friggin’ hard it is to write this. I think I’m having plot problems and I haven’t figured out a way around it. Am. Not. Going. To. Give up. On. This. Bloody. Hell.

Bait Me Like Blue Fish (AU) – Part 1 done. Part 2 and 3 not written. Expect a shitload more angst before things get better.

Navel Rings and Tramp Tattoos (AU) – Need to write the porn part. I know people are waiting for this but, I personally am meh about it. Mostly because of this other fic called…

Snow Hare in December (Canon) – Christmas fic that I’m half way through and pretty much pure porn on steroids. Might need to scrub your eyeballs after reading this beauty, once I’m done with it, Yeesh.

Funeral March (Reincarnation) – Current obsession. But is long. And require some planning and actual thought, and is a little bit wax poetic which meant a lot of revising and editing awaits. So. Gonna be a while.

It’s a Costume Party! (AU) – Fun fic involving some kinky shit. No angst and porn again, and I would love to start writing this except there’s this other AU fic named…

Life Is a Two Way Street (AU) – I’m just super stoke about the premise of this because, well, like I said before, it’s still the only bestfriend!Alma fic I have planned so far. And of course guest starring 3rd Exorcists that no one writes about. 

Not the Little Mermaid (AU, and, uh, this is slowly actually becoming the real title) – Pet project. No that’s not a pun. The premise makes me happy. The plot makes me happier (but it’s not a particularly happy plot so…yeah…) 

AND THAT’S IT. Everything else are scrapped and buried, for now. I gotta narrow my list down or my brain’s getting pulled into too many directions and we end up with nothing. If, and that’s a big if, after I’m done with all these fics and I’m still stuck in this fandom (not that’s a bad thing), I might zombie resurrect some of the other fics I have scrapped. But until I’m done with these that ain’t happening. Let’s see if I can get them all out this year. Ha. Here’s to hoping.

Ch. 1/22: Pandemonium

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✗ TECHNICAL DETAILS

FANDOM: The Shadowhunters Chronicles
RATING: Mature.
WORDCOUNT: 8 694 words
PAIRING(S): Clary Fray/Izzy Lightwood, other pairings to be revealed as the story goes.
CHARACTER(S):
Clary Fray/Fairchild/Morgenstern, Alec Lightwood, Izzy Lightwood, Jace
Wayland/Morgenstern, Magnus Bane, Maryse Lightwood, Robert Lightwood,
Jocelyn Fray, Luke Garroway, and most of the other canon characters.
GENRE: Urban fantasy with a dash of coming of age and lesbian romance.
TRIGGER WARNING(S): Assault (interpreted as sexual tho that’s not what happens) some violence, medically
inaccurate migraines (because magic). This story will eventually
contain more violence, questioning of one’s identity and the building of
Clary’s belief and value system.
NOTE(S): So this is it. After three years of intense discussion, preparation and worrying, here we go! I’m aiming for bi-monthly updates, hopefully I’ll manage to stick to the schedule. Either way, the fic already has its ending written down, so it’ll get here eventually.
Special thanks to @fel-as-in-tumbld, who sparked this monster project, to @talysalankil and @kavkakat, who betaed the story, and to everyone who let me scream at them about worldbuilding and Shadowhunters culture and other time-consuming details. Love u guys!
SUMMARY:
Clary’s life plan from her eighteenth birthday onward is fairly simple: do her internship with her mother at Moonlight Tattoos,
become a world-renowed tatoo artist, and find herself a girl she can
spend the rest of her life with, pretty much in that order.

The
part where she tries to save a girl from a would-be rapist and ends up
having to fight demons kinds of throws a wrench into that, though.

(Or: This is what I wish we’d had in City of Bones.)

[Also available on AO3]

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IT’S HERE! *HIGH PITCHED SCREAMING*

Tumblr & dialog analysis

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I’m yet again musing about Tumblr communication. 

In dialog analysis, there’s such a thing as a dialog sequence. (I learned these concepts in German, so possibly my translation of some terms might be off; linguists, feel free to chime in) Somebody says something, somebody answers, etc. There’s a great number of different sequence patterns in communication and it’s very hard to describe most of them, but there are some stock sequences, like question-answer sequences, that you can use to exemplify communication problems. 

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